Curse

hurdlebeast · Jul 31, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

First off, I encourage everyone that posts below me to read my entire post, as lengthy as it may be, before passing judgement. These are my ideas, my opinion, and i do not expect most or all to agree with them. However, I would like a little bit of courtesy towards the ideas, and not an all out flame war, because as you know, this is the internet /sarcasm.

Anyways, my thoughts are we should ban GW2. Now I know this sounds harsh, but I promise you that this won't be another "OMG Anet SUXORS I H8 ANET" threads. At least not by my doing. Below are the reasons that I have come up with why we should ban GW2, and why GW1 is in such a bad shape:

1) Ultimate Goal of Anet: Simply put, their goal is the same as every other company that makes video games: to make money. Some might say that the true goal of a company is to deliver a great product, get good reviews, have great PR, etc, etc. While that may be true, all those only contribute to spreading the word about a product so more people will buy it (hence earning the company more money). While I DO NOT expect this to be any different for Anet, I do expect them to take care of their current customers. The game as it is is broken. Skills/builds are overpowered, ectos (which were once the basis for trading) have gone out of wack, Elite areas are overfarmed, cheaters and scammers run abound without any sort of restriction, and worst of all, updates are few and far between (where as before the were quick and simple, except for some cases: I'll get to that later). Now, the counter-argument for that is that Anet is busy using all their resources on GW2, and doesn't have any time/money/people for GW1. I call shens on that. Guild Wars made astounding sales. This is shown anytime you walk into Kamadan and have 5+ districts at any given time. Or when you go to any major town for a holiday, and there are 100+ full districts. I read somewhere that GW1 has "one programmer, and he is knee deep" in coding problems. My question is, why not hire a few more programmers? They wouldn't have to be super-experienced, all they would be doing is modifying the code from time to time to fit the needs of the players. And the money is obviously there, as shown by above reasons. This would help to dramatically fix Guild Wars, and keep the fanbase happy with it.

2) Shadow Form: Come on, you had to have seen this coming

. My thoughts on the SF buff, then nerf, are this: it did EXACTLY what ANET wanted it to do. Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall, for the most part, have sold the most they are going too. Not too many people are buying them nowadays. Eye of the North, on the other hand, could always use more sales. I think alot of people, like me, bought Eye of the North last (if at all) because it was an expansion pack, not a stand-alone campaign. So, then, how does Anet "fix" that? Perma-sin was one. Timeline went like this: SF buffed-->Perma-sins start farming ectos like mad--->market gets flooded--->ecto prices drop beyond repair--->SF nerfed. Anet knew about the ecto fiasco for a while, but instead of making it their top priority (thus saving the economy, and the value of the high-end items people had) they let it tank, then "fixed" it. It was a bandaid over a bullet hole, and they knew it. Simply put, what now is the reason for farming in Proph, Factions, or NF? Elite areas drop elite skins, which are nice, but you need Ursan Blessing, which brings me to my next point.

3) Ursan Blessing: The other skills that has a serious love/hate relationship for players. Whether you like it or not, use it or not, Ursan has made a mockery of Elite areas in the game. Full Ursans plus two monks can run through any area, no problem? There are only 4 skills, no synergy between them, but none needed? Class does not matter, nor does skill level, skills obtained, awesome build combos, attribute point distribution, weapon sets, or pretty much anything else that was previously needed by groups doing these areas? Armor buffs, health buffs, and enerfy buffs (yes I consider it an energy buff, seeing as you have -2 regen but a perpetual essence bond cast on you, plus no side effect from zealous weapons)? Sounds broken to me. And yet, Anet hasn't even thought about changing a thing on it. Why? Because even if Proph, Factions, and NF are done making sales, EotN is not. And by making Ursan THE single skill required (and yes I mean required, PuG's are non-existant in Elite areas, you HAVE to be r8-10 Norn to get in) they are forcing players who haven't bought the expansion to buy it, or lose out on the longevity of the game. That, along with the Perma-sin buff/nerf to make solo farming the Elites pretty much useless (no point, you can make more money elsewhere with Ursan), they have essentially locked you into buying the game, or missing out on the games you have already purchased.

4) Lack of updates: I have already talked about this, I know, but there is more to it. If Anet has the money and resources to keep GW1 afloat, why don't they? Well, why would they? Wouldn't it be smarter, financially, to slowly kill of the original to the point where it is unplayable, which in turn forces players to buy the new game (GW2)? And yes, I realize that "there are other games" out there. Diablo 3, Ragnarok Online, and the ever-powerful WoW will be strong contenders for my playing time. But that's the thing: none of those games are Guild Wars. Guild Wars is unique: it's what drew us to the game in the first place. And as stated again, Anet isn't depending on keeping their customers happy: they are depending on you making the initial sale, after they why would they care? WoW and other subscription based services HAVE to keep their game running strong and smooth, else they will lose people's monthly business. Now, the argument being that "you get what you pay for" is semi-valid here. You get free monthly service, you're gonna get crap. Problem is, Anet has shown that they are more than capable at keeping the game running smoothly (ie, back in the day). It is another thing that made us want to go from Proph to Factions, and from Factions to NF. Their customer service was great, in game bugs were fixed quickly, everything went smoothly. As soon as Nightfall numbers dropped, so did the "love" we got from Anet. EotN didn't really matter, because it was forced on us anyways. Besides Ursan, look at how many builds have been nerfed by updates, but "saved" by EotN only skills. A small, debatable point, I know, but a point nontheless.

5) Lack of difficulty: HM is a breeze with certain builds. Ursan kills all. There is no difficulty left in GW. Why would anyone want to play a game that is that easy?

5) Lack of GW2 news: While some consider this no means to get angry about, I do. We have heard nothing about GW2 since the original announcement. Why is that? Because Anet wants us to keep our focus on the horrible shape that GW is in right now. They want us to keep getting more and more frustrated with the donwfall of our beloved game, so when GW2 does come out, it will be our savior. If they gave us news now, that gives the illusion that it is close to coming out, alot of people would probably stop playing GW, and they would forget how bad of a game it has become (compared to where it was a few years back). Like I said before, Anet depends on that initial spike of sales to make their money, not long-term commitments.

Those are my above reasons on why I believe that us, the dedicated, loyal fanbase of GW, should propose a boycott on GW2. In my eyes, Anet purposefully let the game destroy itself by introducing overpowered skills and builds, and did nothing to stop the destruction they caused. They do no listen to the players anymore, and are trying to keep us starved for a good game just enough so that we will be hungry enough for GW2 when it comes out, but not so hungry that we move to another game. Even if there is no subscription based reason for them to care about what I, or any other player thinks, I still payed good money for a game that was well-maintained and balanced. The level of friendly PR, customer service, and quick updates is what made me decide to buy Factions and NF, thinking that Anet truly did care for their customers. I feel a little betrayed, like Anet was laughing up their sleeves the whole time. If there was absolutely nothing Anet could do to stop the mayhem in GW, I would be more understanding. But by sitting on their hands and doing nothing, after all this time (look how long it took to nerf SF, when it was clearly having a devastating impact on the economy), it clearly shows that Anet does not care about the you and I, the customers. I say if they want our GW2 dollars so bad, we make them earn it. Boycott GW2. Hit Anet where it hurts. Maybe then they will do something about GW1 as it is. If we don't, what's to stop them from doing the same thing to GW2? Boycotting GW1 isn't only pointless, it's counterproductive. Anet has the money from GW1, and boycotting at this point would be pretty stupid.

P.S. Now that ectos are crap value, I'm waiting for Z-keys to start dropping in EotN....

Also, No I will not stop playing the game because I have a problem with it, developers should be held responsible for their game quality. This is not a QQ thread, I posted my ideas logically with reasons for all of the above points. And, no, you cannot have my stuff if I quit.

Mods please do not close, I wish to see if there is any basis for a boycott, or if I will be standing alone. If it becomes a flame pit, do what you will

t3dw4rd0 · Jul 31, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

*sigh*
Anet specifically said that materials *cough*ecto*cough* were never meant to be a substitute for money. Hence they didn't really care about killing the market.

MisterT69 · Jul 31, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

I think they did care. Because if they didn't care, SF would still be just as quick and no cursed riders would spawn in UW. But A-net gave into elitist QQing about how their ectos practically hit rockbottom and everyone else was getting rich off of it.

Solas · Jul 31, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

off computer in bit so may have missed some things.
prob be able to read it in full later

Yeah the game has flaws but most games do, And Anet did Listen to the community, There are threads all over the place about How the game is too Hard,(pre-hard mode) How people can never get into groups bar Trinity groups (pre-ursan), Community Is a big one so their is always somone that is annoyed about somthing.

In the 2 years i've played nothing really made me annoyed update wise in the game, But i do feel the game is a bit easy with all these Pve skills etc.

They listened but didn't Put as much though and effort as people had hoped imo
But boycotting a game, don't think they'll be much of a following

jiggles · Jul 31, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

TO LONG DIDNT READ

for anyone who hasnt read it an wants a summary, imagine every problem with GW atm, then imagine one person QQ'ing about them problems.

Theres you summary

tsmarcot · Jul 31, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

You cannot make everybody happy all the time. There will always be someone that can find something to complain about. If you are willing to play a game even though it has things that you don't like, then what grounds do you have Boycotting it? Sure there are things i am not happy with in the game, but i just remember there are other people playing too. I will not get everything to go my way. I choose to find a play style and skill set that let me enjoy the game without intentionally ruining it for anyone else.

If you are not happy with a skill then don't use it (UB and SF come to mind). I lost some ecto value just like everyone else, but hey i find new ways to make up the cash. If you play the stock (ecto) market, you have to be prepared for the risk involved. This is not the first time ectos have lost value.

If i grow to dislike any game to the point i would get the urge to boycott a future or current release, i'll just find another game to play instead. There are plent of games out there.

idicious · Jul 31, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Also the recent lack of updates is dew to a largescale upcoming pve update that is suppost to adress the current 'ballance' issue's (Ursan Blessing is going to be hit, grind for pve only titles being reviewd, non used elites revamped etc) So IF they do it correctly, I'm willing to wait a little bit for them to get it all sorted and not implement a half thought through update that brings things like perma SF.

Snow Bunny · Jul 31, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

First off, I encourage everyone that posts below me to read my entire post, as lengthy as it may be, before passing judgement. These are my ideas, my opinion, and i do not expect most or all to agree with them. However, I would like a little bit of courtesy towards the ideas, and not an all out flame war, because as you know, this is the internet /sarcasm.

Anyways, my thoughts are we should ban GW2. Now I know this sounds harsh, but I promise you that this won't be another "OMG Anet SUXORS I H8 ANET" threads. At least not by my doing. Below are the reasons that I have come up with why we should ban GW2, and why GW1 is in such a bad shape:

1) Ultimate Goal of Anet: Simply put, their goal is the same as every other company that makes video games: to make money. Some might say that the true goal of a company is to deliver a great product, get good reviews, have great PR, etc, etc. While that may be true, all those only contribute to spreading the word about a product so more people will buy it (hence earning the company more money). While I DO NOT expect this to be any different for Anet, I do expect them to take care of their current customers. The game as it is is broken. Now, the counter-argument for that is that Anet is busy using all their resources on GW2, and doesn't have any time/money/people for GW1. I call shens on that. Guild Wars made astounding sales. This is shown anytime you walk into Kamadan and have 5+ districts at any given time. Or when you go to any major town for a holiday, and there are 100+ full districts. I read somewhere that GW1 has "one programmer, and he is knee deep" in coding problems. My question is, why not hire a few more programmers?

They're a company. Their money gets taxed. They have a lot of employees making salaries that they have to live on.

I don't think you understand how much money it costs to run a business, especially one so technologically invested.

arbiter · Jul 31, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggles

TO LONG DIDNT READ

for anyone who hasnt read it an wants a summary, imagine every problem with GW atm, then imagine one person QQ'ing about them problems.

Theres you summary

I thought the exact thing lmao

yes we all know gw sucks theres 5 threads on the subject today. If you dont like it stop playing and dont play gw2, end of story.

ruskiy_soldat · Jul 31, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Why would you want people to protest GW2? Is it because you have no life? Shouldn't you be harassing people who give a shit?

Lishy · Jul 31, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I still don't see what the big deal about others making money is.
What, are you so retarded that you're saying that you DON'T want equality because you're some jackass who likes to discriminate richer and poor players?
Some of those insanely high priced items shouldn't even of been so high in the first place!

So far I have been enjoying these updates and my only complaints is how the mood isn't set properly in certain levels and how grind titles aren't account wide.
My point? Grow up and stop being greedy.
Yes, Ursan causes discrimination. Yes, the new SF keeps becoming imbalanced. ANET took note of these things and is fixing them. No need to QQ.

t00115577 · Jul 31, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

'points at the door' ----->

If your gonna bitch and moan, just stop playin GW

Miss Puddles · Jul 31, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

why would we boycott a good sequel because there are still some problems in the first game? do you really think that the handful of players you actually convice to do this will have a huge impact on the game at large, or will influence anet enough to make the game more enjoyable for you?
talk about a bandaid over a bullet hole...

bring on gw2

Jesses Paradigm · Jul 31, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

lock this fscking thread, or make a sub thread for all QQ's.. thats all this game is anymore, the community has fscked itself over. i quit.

goodbye

Borat X · Jul 31, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggles

TO LONG DIDNT READ

for anyone who hasnt read it an wants a summary, imagine every problem with GW atm, then imagine one person QQ'ing about them problems.

Theres you summary

/signed

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 31, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Quote:

5) Lack of difficulty: HM is a breeze with certain builds. Ursan kills all. There is no difficulty left in GW. Why would anyone want to play a game that is that easy?

PvP.

Or are you another that quivers at that?

hurdlebeast · Jul 31, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I politely disagree with the whole "You are QQing" bit. QQing is mindless complaining about something without giving a solution.

There are tons and tons of threads that state exactly what I did. I know this. But I have a solution, and reasons for said solution. If I had made a thread simply stating "Let's boycott GW2" it would have been /deleted, because it would have been pointless. I have my concerns about the game, and more importantly, I have a potential solution. I am not QQing. I'm offering a solution, take it or leave it.

Edit: I could just as easily say "you all are f***** stupid for not seeing what Anet is doing/will do to you with GW2", but I won't. Because that is pointless.

Numa Pompilius · Jul 31, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I don't follow the logic. Why boycott GW2 because ANet is a small company and does not have the resources to put a lot of effort into GW1?
Yeah GW1 is pretty much a trainwreck now, but the logical course of action then would be to stop playing GW1 and switch to GW2 the second it's released, before that too gets powercreeped and dumbed down.

Ferret Deathsquad · Jul 31, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

If your not happy with Anet and GW stop playing. I understand there are things that are wrong or broken with GW but a smart company tries to go to the next best thing. Anet has made there money with GW and will try to keep it running. GW is a great game compaired to the others out there. In GW2 I'm sure they will fix most of the problems that had in GW. People have to understand that things like skills are going to get changed if they see a large spike in activatity. If you don't find the game a challenge anymore or boring go buy another one.

shoyon456 · Jul 31, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

1) If there ultimate goal is to make money, why do they still continue to support gw1, and say they will even after gw2? They do not charge monthly and are WELL WITHIN their rights to simply close the servers.

2) I'd bet that the fact that limited resources on gw1 is what took sf so long to be fixed...

3) They have already said they are looking at ursan, as they told us beforehand they were examining sf, are you incompetent? Or are you just mad because you and your "elitism" can be outdone by anyone now?

4) You don't pay for this game monthly, and there was never a guaruntee there would be constant updates. In fact most of the weekly updates to WoW are little things that mean nothing. At least their updates are meaningful.

5) If you want more difficulty, try to figure out how to Hero solo DoA w/o using ursan or shadow form. Do that and I'll be impressed.

6) If you're so mad and annoyed about everything, take the road that I and others have, do not buy gw2